Comments on: Children May Kill, But Adults May Not

By: Sven

Sven — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:26:20 +0000

” though you did admit that war is a tough one and I respect that.” Thanx, Brian. And I am glad to hear both you and TOS in the end don’t want abortions either. Sounds like we want the same ends, just our means differ.

By: Sven

Sven — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:25:03 +0000

Brian, the Iraqi people lived in fear of Saddam, at least the ones that weren’t his hench men. They wanted him out.

Know the U.S. was behind the bombings, they knew they were winning the war. Many told soldiers as they came in to Bagdad that they would be liberated.

You’re arguement here is turning from your original point of equating death in war and death in Planned Parenthood.

By: Sven

Sven — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:17:44 +0000

I like apples but don’t like oranges. Gosh, how hypocritical of me since both are fruit! TOS, just because war is a tougher one to deal with doesn’t make me hypocritical, just honest. I don’t want innocent women, children, and men should die in war. It’s a sad state caused by our sin and disobedience to the ONE and true God. If we wouldn’t sin, then there would be no war thus no death. War is not a black-and-white issue as abortion is. War involves much more then just two people having sex. I think it’s mighty irresponsible of you to equate the two.

By: TOS

TOS — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:24:38 +0000

So bombing and murder of women and children in Iraq is “a tough one”, but abortion is a black and white issue to you? That’s mighty hypocritical of you. I’m not expecting to change your mind about this sensitive issue, only to explain “the other side.” In the end, I think we both really want the same thing: making abortions unneccessary, and a thing of the past. We just see different routes to getting there. You’d be content to make abortions illegal, and ignore the dead young girl in the alley. But hey, that’s her fault for making the wrong decision to get an abortion, right? You choose to live in your black-and-white world of right and wrong, while I live in the real world where things are more complicated.

By: Brian

Brian — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:49:16 +0000

though you did admit that war is a tough one and I respect that.

By: Brian

Brian — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:48:22 +0000

You are kidding me right? So maybe Saddam is not that bad. I mean, I am sure he gave a warning signal to all residents that they were going to be attacked and they should leave the country and find a safer place to live. I am sure Iran would have taken in all the Iraqi refugees.

Of course if the Iraqi people are only getting Iraqi news then they believe they are winning and have no reason to leave.

By: Sven

Sven — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:39:17 +0000

Brian, war is a tough one to tackle, I’ll give you that. But the difference is what the person knows. People living in Iraq know they live in a war zone and risk is involved. They can move to more secure areas and attempt to avoid death. There is a degree of responsibilty there. However, an unborn child can do nothing to avoid it’s death. Nothing. That’s the difference.

By: Sven

Sven — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:35:13 +0000

TOS, I think you perfectly demonstrate the problem with the abortion debate with your opening in comment 11. I do see it as black-and-white. Murder is murder and taking a life from the womb is plain and simple, murder. Just has walking up to a person fully grown and shooting them in the head. Murder is murder.

You on the other hand show how the other side sees it. It’s not felt has murder but the ugly word is covered and massaged as “choice”. We have dumbed a lot of things down in the last few decades and it’s sad to see murder as one of them.

I know it is difficult to convince those who desire to use abortions as birth control that it is not a choice but murder and education to the hilt will never change that attitude. I was in high school and I remember hearing all the guys, and gals, say that condoms weren’t the same as without. These comments came from very well educated people who knew all the facts and still would end the debate with, “Doesn’t matter. If she (I) get pregnant, we’ll just get an abortion.” We first need to educate the procedure is murder before the rest really filters in, TOS.

By: TOS

TOS — Tue, 15 Nov 2005 02:57:39 +0000

I don’t see abortion as a black-and-white issue as svenrox seems to be portraying it as. Abortion is not the same issue as homicide, and does not call for the same solutions. Criminalizing abortions will be as successful as prohibition was in the 20′s, or the war on drugs has been in our lifetimes. In making these societal problems illegal, more problems are actually created. We should seek real solutions, not band-aids that make us feel better about ourselves. It would be great if we lived in a perfect world, with no abortions. For that we need to focus on the root of the problem: unwanted pregnancies. Educating and our children openly about sexual issues. There are many in the “Pro-Life” camp who would rather not discuss these issues with their children, preaching only abstinance as the solution. Teaching things like: “condoms cause cancer” if anything only increases the likelyhood of teen-pregnancy, and therefore increased likelyhood of abortions.

As for my son: he is quite the miracle. At 3 pounds 14 ounces at birth, he wasn’t as small as many of the miracles out there, however. It’s quite amazing what modern medicine can accomplish. My son was born at 30 weeks (40 weeks being normal). There are babies born at a mere 23 1/2 weeks that survive and grow up healthy. Which touches on another important part of abortion, that I would think even svenrox would agree with (at least, to some degree). IF abortion is to be legal as it now is (a big IF here svenrox), the goal should be important to have it done as early as possible. If prop 73 were to have passed, it would have only DELAYED the abortion procedure to later in the pregnancy by requiring parantel notification. That is, if the girl is brave enough to tell her parents about it in the first place, and not take matters into her own hands illegally. But if my not wanting to see young ladies left for dead in some back alley in TJ labels me “pathetic” in your view, then so be it.

By: brian

brian — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:18:10 +0000

Thanks for clearing that up Sven, I totally understand now. When a abortion happens it is morally wrong and murder. When innocent people die during war it is just part of war. I guess we can tell that to the 40 some people that died on May 24 2004 when the US Armed Forces decided to attack a Iraqi wedding.