Comments on: Chicken and the Egg: The Reason No Full-Screen iPod is Here Yet http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/ The technology resource you can't resist! Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Richard Dalziel-Sharpe http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-22563 Richard Dalziel-Sharpe Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:47:21 +0000 http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/#comment-22563 From my reading of the Apple patent for the touch screen the controls would fade from the screen after a few seconds of non use, like the eject on the DVD player and the volume and brightness do on my monitor. No reason why a subsidiary control could not be on the earphone lead though. From my reading of the Apple patent for the touch screen the controls would fade from the screen after a few seconds of non use, like the eject on the DVD player and the volume and brightness do on my monitor.
No reason why a subsidiary control could not be on the earphone lead though.

]]> By: Dan Shockley http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-22396 Dan Shockley Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:00:36 +0000 http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/#comment-22396 Mike, et al: The "video" iPods will still play music, right? I wasn't saying you need no-look-needed controls for video playback, but requiring someone to look at the controls is bad for a music player. Even if there is an iPod Full-Screen released, do you really think many people won't often listen to music while driving, riding a bike, jogging, walking down the street, etc? Mike, et al:

The “video” iPods will still play music, right? I wasn’t saying you need no-look-needed controls for video playback, but requiring someone to look at the controls is bad for a music player. Even if there is an iPod Full-Screen released, do you really think many people won’t often listen to music while driving, riding a bike, jogging, walking down the street, etc?

]]> By: Mike http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-22393 Mike Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:24:20 +0000 http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/#comment-22393 "Let’s see, having a need to “look” at touch-screen controls will be a killer to sales of “video” iPods." Why? Unlike music, when you're watching a movie, you are looking at the screen all the time - so what's the problem? “Let’s see, having a need to “look” at touch-screen controls will be a killer to sales of “video” iPods.”

Why?

Unlike music, when you’re watching a movie, you are looking at the screen all the time – so what’s the problem?

]]> By: Dave http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-22386 Dave Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:50:39 +0000 http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/#comment-22386 "How many people control their iPods without looking at them? Touch-screen-only controls are an abomination in any product that you aren’t supposed to have to concentrate on completely (think car audio controls, etc - very bad!)." ??? Let's see, having a need to "look" at touch-screen controls will be a killer to sales of "video" iPods. Or in other words, people who want to _watch_ a video on their iPod will be frustrated because they'll need to _watch_ how they handle their controls. “How many people control their iPods without looking at them? Touch-screen-only controls are an abomination in any product that you aren’t supposed to have to concentrate on completely (think car audio controls, etc – very bad!).”

???

Let’s see, having a need to “look” at touch-screen controls will be a killer to sales of “video” iPods.

Or in other words, people who want to _watch_ a video on their iPod will be frustrated because they’ll need to _watch_ how they handle their controls.

]]> By: Sven http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-22368 Sven Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:09:07 +0000 http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/#comment-22368 Thanks, Poopmaster, for the vote of cofidence. ;) Dan S., I hear ya (and agree) that isn't the best idea for us touch-remote users but truth is, that kinda went away with the 4G as the ClickWheel isn't fully a touch-remote. It is, but isn't since you can't feel play, skip, and menu. You have to know which direction you're hitting to get the right key. My biggest complaint with many hi-tech universal remotes are the LCD screens. I can't tell what I'm touching unless I look at and thus I avoid them completely. I think you and I agree with this problem with the full-screen iPod. However, getting a widescreen movie on a unit the same size as the current iPod with easy to use controls wouldn't be possible any other way. And truth is, a LCD ClickWheel is trick. I figure the ear buds will have a remote that will handle the same commands as the click wheel and that will help those like you and I. Heck, maybe the Apple Remote will work on this new iPod. Ooh, there's a rumor I could start. :) Thanks, Poopmaster, for the vote of cofidence. ;)

Dan S., I hear ya (and agree) that isn’t the best idea for us touch-remote users but truth is, that kinda went away with the 4G as the ClickWheel isn’t fully a touch-remote. It is, but isn’t since you can’t feel play, skip, and menu. You have to know which direction you’re hitting to get the right key.

My biggest complaint with many hi-tech universal remotes are the LCD screens. I can’t tell what I’m touching unless I look at and thus I avoid them completely. I think you and I agree with this problem with the full-screen iPod. However, getting a widescreen movie on a unit the same size as the current iPod with easy to use controls wouldn’t be possible any other way. And truth is, a LCD ClickWheel is trick.

I figure the ear buds will have a remote that will handle the same commands as the click wheel and that will help those like you and I. Heck, maybe the Apple Remote will work on this new iPod. Ooh, there’s a rumor I could start. :)

]]> By: Dan Shockley http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-22354 Dan Shockley Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:43:44 +0000 http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/#comment-22354 No way will Apple do this (at least, I hope!). Your vision of a full-screen iPod means that the buttons would have to ALL be on a touch screen. You need to have at least the basic controls (play/pause, forward, back) on buttons THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY BY TOUCH. I'm stressing that for a reason. How many people control their iPods without looking at them? Touch-screen-only controls are an abomination in any product that you aren't supposed to have to concentrate on completely (think car audio controls, etc - very bad!). I can only hope Apple isn't dumb enough to remove the controls from the iPod. No way will Apple do this (at least, I hope!). Your vision of a full-screen iPod means that the buttons would have to ALL be on a touch screen. You need to have at least the basic controls (play/pause, forward, back) on buttons THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY BY TOUCH. I’m stressing that for a reason. How many people control their iPods without looking at them? Touch-screen-only controls are an abomination in any product that you aren’t supposed to have to concentrate on completely (think car audio controls, etc – very bad!).

I can only hope Apple isn’t dumb enough to remove the controls from the iPod.

]]> By: Poopmaster http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-22332 Poopmaster Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:22:54 +0000 http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/#comment-22332 Whoo hoo. I think you're right too, Sven. It's nice to see that you're back making sense instead of speaking out of your sphincter. :) Whoo hoo. I think you’re right too, Sven. It’s nice to see that you’re back making sense instead of speaking out of your sphincter. :)

]]> By: mark http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-22329 mark Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:08:56 +0000 http://svenontech.com/2006/06/12/chicken-and-the-egg-the-reason-no-full-screen-ipod-is-here-yet/#comment-22329 I think you're exactly right. In fact, I think Apple had been angling for 30th anniversary release of both movies and the new iPod, but has now pushed it back to October (for Christmas). I think Jobs failed to get what he wanted for the store, as the studios opted for the CinemaNow/Movielink approach. So Jobs is content to allow that trial to fail, as it surely will given the pricing and usage rights, while the TV shows on iTunes continue to sell at a good profit for the networks/studios. In the meantime, Apple will continue to improve the in-the-lab movie iPod as better batteries, processors, and memories become available. I think you’re exactly right.

In fact, I think Apple had been angling for 30th anniversary release of both movies and the new iPod, but has now pushed it back to October (for Christmas). I think Jobs failed to get what he wanted for the store, as the studios opted for the CinemaNow/Movielink approach. So Jobs is content to allow that trial to fail, as it surely will given the pricing and usage rights, while the TV shows on iTunes continue to sell at a good profit for the networks/studios. In the meantime, Apple will continue to improve the in-the-lab movie iPod as better batteries, processors, and memories become available.

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