Comments on: The Real Reason Steve Jobs Pulled Apple From Macworld http://svenontech.com/2010/02/08/the-real-reason-steve-jobs-pulled-apple-from-macworld/ The technology resource you can't resist! Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sven Rafferty http://svenontech.com/2010/02/08/the-real-reason-steve-jobs-pulled-apple-from-macworld/comment-page-1/#comment-138389 Sven Rafferty Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:25:40 +0000 http://svenontech.com/?p=7869#comment-138389 Thanks for the comment, @fricfrac. I see your point concerning trade shows and how between the Apple Store and broadband their use may have little importance. However, many developers and manufacturers would disagree with this notion since Macworld, with Apple's presence, bring in many that may have never heard of the product offerings due to the static of broadband and omission of the many Apple Stores. Time and time again you hear many say, "Mac's just don't have that much software" and without a central depository of showcase to discover that software, more weight is added to this statement. As to the coincidence, sure its possible, but that's not Jobs MO. Everything has a timetable with Apple, such as notebook releases usually occurring in the spring, iPod updates in the fall, and OS releases in the summer. Heck, everyone has come to except a new iPhone every June due to the three previous models all coming in late June every time. Lastly, Apple takes credit for the GUI and mouse of the Mac as if it was its engineering. Microsoft has purchased much technology and Mac fanbois are always quick to point out it's still not Microsofts technology. Just because you buy something doesn't make it your creation. Prior to that visit to Xerox's Palo Alto facility, Jobs' Mac team - rather Lisa team - was struggling. Jef Raskin was on a different tangent and while a brilliant man, he was not headed toward what was finally released, hence one of the reasons he left the project. While I agree Microsoft Windows 1.0 was a blatant rip of the Mac interface, Apple is no more in the right to call it its own than Microsoft can. I would suggest reading Any Hertzfield's, a key Mac developer, "Revolution in the Valley" which gives a great walk through the PARC-era and how dramatic of an effect it made to the Mac team. This may help with you seeing how I came to my conclusion with a little bit of research. Thanks for the comment, @fricfrac. I see your point concerning trade shows and how between the Apple Store and broadband their use may have little importance. However, many developers and manufacturers would disagree with this notion since Macworld, with Apple’s presence, bring in many that may have never heard of the product offerings due to the static of broadband and omission of the many Apple Stores. Time and time again you hear many say, “Mac’s just don’t have that much software” and without a central depository of showcase to discover that software, more weight is added to this statement.

As to the coincidence, sure its possible, but that’s not Jobs MO. Everything has a timetable with Apple, such as notebook releases usually occurring in the spring, iPod updates in the fall, and OS releases in the summer. Heck, everyone has come to except a new iPhone every June due to the three previous models all coming in late June every time.

Lastly, Apple takes credit for the GUI and mouse of the Mac as if it was its engineering. Microsoft has purchased much technology and Mac fanbois are always quick to point out it’s still not Microsofts technology. Just because you buy something doesn’t make it your creation. Prior to that visit to Xerox’s Palo Alto facility, Jobs’ Mac team – rather Lisa team – was struggling. Jef Raskin was on a different tangent and while a brilliant man, he was not headed toward what was finally released, hence one of the reasons he left the project. While I agree Microsoft Windows 1.0 was a blatant rip of the Mac interface, Apple is no more in the right to call it its own than Microsoft can. I would suggest reading Any Hertzfield’s, a key Mac developer, “Revolution in the Valley” which gives a great walk through the PARC-era and how dramatic of an effect it made to the Mac team. This may help with you seeing how I came to my conclusion with a little bit of research.

]]> By: fricfrac http://svenontech.com/2010/02/08/the-real-reason-steve-jobs-pulled-apple-from-macworld/comment-page-1/#comment-138388 fricfrac Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:17:10 +0000 http://svenontech.com/?p=7869#comment-138388 Sven, not sure where you are going with this unless self parody is your aim. You seem to damn Steveo(who after all represents Apple) for control freakery then end paras with 'Really, it does not take much to run the case for Apple leaving Macworld because Jobs doesn’t like how he can’t run the show.' which sorta says you give them/him, the nod. Quite so, trade shows are a relic of the past before the ubiquity of broadband and the Apple stores(where they also control the experience). Apple's product release methodology is the sum total of many months/years of a wildly disparate threads(design, software, production, distribution, marketing etc etc) that culminate in a window of opportunity. And that can be very small. And that may or may not coincide with a major trade show. Coincidences do happen you know; I was doing a presentation only last week and in a group of 50+ invited attendees there were 4 with the same birthdate as me and all of them with the same christian name. Murphy's Law - if it can happen, it will happen. Also, re Apple '...ripping of Xerox PARCs mouse and GUI for the original Mac...' some research would have shown that Apple actually paid for the technology and employed some of their developers because it was thought to be of no practical use. Your allegation should correctly be levelled at Microsoft who did no such thing whilst using the same technology. So, 'how you are remembered' will have a lot to do with getting the facts straight before going loudly, to print. :roll: Sven, not sure where you are going with this unless self parody is your aim.
You seem to damn Steveo(who after all represents Apple) for control freakery then end paras with ‘Really, it does not take much to run the case for Apple leaving Macworld because Jobs doesn’t like how he can’t run the show.’ which sorta says you give them/him, the nod.
Quite so, trade shows are a relic of the past before the ubiquity of broadband and the Apple stores(where they also control the experience).
Apple’s product release methodology is the sum total of many months/years of a wildly disparate threads(design, software, production, distribution, marketing etc etc) that culminate in a window of opportunity. And that can be very small. And that may or may not coincide with a major trade show. Coincidences do happen you know; I was doing a presentation only last week and in a group of 50+ invited attendees there were 4 with the same birthdate as me and all of them with the same christian name. Murphy’s Law – if it can happen, it will happen.
Also, re Apple ‘…ripping of Xerox PARCs mouse and GUI for the original Mac…’ some research would have shown that Apple actually paid for the technology and employed some of their developers because it was thought to be of no practical use. Your allegation should correctly be levelled at Microsoft who did no such thing whilst using the same technology.
So, ‘how you are remembered’ will have a lot to do with getting the facts straight before going loudly, to print. :roll:

]]> By: Örjan Larsson http://svenontech.com/2010/02/08/the-real-reason-steve-jobs-pulled-apple-from-macworld/comment-page-1/#comment-138364 Örjan Larsson Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:26:55 +0000 http://svenontech.com/?p=7869#comment-138364 Myself hope Apple will do something around WWDC, for non-developer. What Apple really do miss with nixing MacWorld, is all small developer around Macintosh, that really need a place to meet customer in real life. And real life seminars about Mac, iphone, iPad is also needed, from non-Apple people to others. (i.e not just Apple Stores) One thins is for sure, I will miss travelling from Sweden to California in January, few tourist at that time, low prices, but most places still open - with very nice people. Myself hope Apple will do something around WWDC, for non-developer.

What Apple really do miss with nixing MacWorld, is all small developer around Macintosh, that really need a place to meet customer in real life.

And real life seminars about Mac, iphone, iPad is also needed, from non-Apple people to others.
(i.e not just Apple Stores)

One thins is for sure, I will miss travelling from Sweden to California in January, few tourist at that time, low prices, but most places still open – with very nice people.

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